Pogledaj cijelu verziju : MYTH: "TWO MILLION SERBS DIED"

Christos - UK
15-10-2003, 16:11
Myth: Between 500,000 and 2,000,000 Serbs were murdered by the Croatian government during World War II.

Reality: The exact number of war victims in Yugoslavia during World War II may never be known due to fifty years of intentional disinformation by the Yugoslavian and Serbian governments, Serbian exile groups, and others. However, it is likely that approximately one million people of all nationalities died of war-related causes in all of Yugoslavia during World War II and that as many as 125,000 Serbs died of war-related causes in Croatia during the War.

The question of war losses during World War II represents the most divisive, heated and emotional issue among all of the nationalities of the former Yugoslavia during the post-War period. The bloody multi-sided War in Yugoslavia involved the German, Italian, Ustashe, Partisan, Domobran, White Guard, Slovenian Guard and at least four different; Cetnik armies. The multifaceted war pitted Serbs against Serbs, Croatians against Croatians, Serbs against Croatians, and Serbian Orthodox against Catholics and Muslims. The loss of life was heavy and difficult to document. As the war progressed and even long after the war ended, the mythology of the numbers of victims continued to grow.

The Growing Numbers

On the question of the number of Serbs killed in Croatia, it became possible to simply pick a number and virtually any press medium in the world would publish the figure without question. In one sixty day period in late 1991, David Martin put the number at 500,000 in the New York Times; Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic at 750,000 in USA Today; Josif Djordjevich at 1,200,000 in the San Francisco Chronicle; Teddy Preuss at 1,500,000 in the Jerusalem Post; and, setting an all-time record, Peter Jennings' ABC News program set the figure at a record 2,000,000. Further, each of the sources added a separate twist to the number. For some, the number represented total "killed," for others "murdered," others "murdered in concentration camps," and still others did not define how the losses occurred. None listed any source for the figures. To illustrate the magnitude of these charges, it would require killing one person every 90 seconds, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for the entire duration of the War to reach Mr. Preuss' figure of 1,500,000. The fact is one million people did not die in Croatia from all causes during the War. Many scholars doubt that there were a million lives lost to war-related causes in all of Yugoslavia during World War II.

Yet this mythology runs deeper than virtually any other. As early as April 1942 the Serbian Orthodox Church in America, based upon Mihailovic's reports, claimed that over one million Serbs had already been killed in Croatia. As the war progressed, the numbers continued to grow in the Serbian press until actually exceeding the number of Serbs in Croatia. It must be noted that no Croatian troops set foot in Serbia during World War II. Thus all accounting of Serbian losses must be for those living in Croatia, Bosnia and Hercegovnia.

Post-War Accountability

After World War II, the Communist Yugoslav government set the total demographic losses for all of Yugoslavia from all causes at 1,700,000. The figure was never verified and was contradicted by demographic data comparisons between the Yugoslav census of 1931 and 1948. Nevertheless, this figure, which included natural mortality and decreased birth rate, was presented to the West German government for war reparations. At the same time, the Belgrade media began circulation of the figure 750,000 Jews, Gypsies and Serbs killed in Croatia during the War. By 1958 the number 750,000 was used to describe losses at a single camp, Jasenovac. Such high numbers were used not only to gain additional war reparations from Germany, but also to legitimize the Communist governments' role in saving the peoples of Yugoslavia from the horrors of nationalism. Germany refused to accept the 1.7 million figure and demanded documentation. On June 10, 1964 the Yugoslav government secretly ordered that the exact statistics regarding war victims be assembled. The task was completed in the Socialist Republic of Croatia by the Center for the Scientific Documentation of the Institute for the History of the Worker's Movement in Zagreb. By early November, the data had been collected and were sent to the Federal Institute for Statistics in Belgrade. When the data were tabulated, excluding Axis forces, the actual figure was 597,323 deaths for all of Yugoslavia. Of these, 346,740 were Serbians and 83,257 were Croatians for all of Yugoslavia. These figures excluded the deaths of any person who died fighting for the Cetniks, Ustase, regular Croatian Army, Slovenian Home Guards or serving in the German or Italian Armies. The government returned the data for re-tabulation and the figures were confirmed and provided to Germany.

The Data Made Public

In July of 1969, Bruno Busic, an associate at the Center for Scientific Documentation, published data from the 1964 study showing that 185,327 people were thought to have died of all causes in Croatia during the War and that 64,245 may have died in German or Croatian prisons or concentration camps. In September of that year the magazine that published the data was banned and Busic was arrested in 1971. After serving two years in prison he escaped to Paris where he wrote several monographs on political prisoners in Croatia. He was murdered in Paris in October 1978 by the Yugoslav Secret Police. In 1985, the Serbian scholar Bogoljub Kocovic published a major scholarly research work which put the figure for total demographic losses in all of Yugoslavia at 1,985,000 of which 971,000 were war-related. Of these 487,000 were Serbs killed anywhere in Yugoslavia by any side including Germans, Italians, Croatians, Albanians, Hungarians, Soviets, American bombing or by other Serbs. Kocovic concluded that some 125,000 Serbs and 124,000 Croatians died in Croatia during World War II. Kocovic also noted what many previous demographers had ignored. The first post-war census was taken in 1948 and "it is fully justified to take into account these post-war victims of communist terror," in reference to the thousands of Croatians slaughtered in late 1945 and 1946 in what have come to be called the Bleiburg Massacres. In 1989 The Yugoslav Victimological Society and the Zagreb Jewish Community published what is now considered the definitive work by Vladimir Zerjavic which set total war losses at 1,027,000 of which 530,000 were Serbs and 192,000 Croatians. 131,000 Serbs and 106,000 Croatians were listed as having died of all war-related causes in Croatia.

The Myth Grows On

Regardless of which scholarly study is consulted, no study has ever reached the figures so casually thrown about in the media. And despite all scholarly evidence to the contrary, in 1992 the Serbian Ministry of Information in Belgrade continued to claim that 600,000 Serbs were killed and the President of Serbia claimed 750,000 were killed by the Croatians during World War II. The Western media, unfettered by any need for factual documentation not only published these numbers, but, as in the case of ABC News, increased them by over one million victims. The Serbian scholar Bogoljub Kocovic best summarized the dilemma of those who would dare to seek the truth in this complex and volatile history:

Very soon it dawned upon me that the major obstacle to my work would be the myths created over four decades about the number of victims, myths by now deeply implanted in the soul of the people of all religions, political beliefs and nationality; myths which, by repetition became a 'reality'. There will be many who will reject my study because it does not conform to their beliefs...Many of them are looking for spiritual food to ignite their hatred of the Croats.

ludi liku iz price
15-10-2003, 17:05
Ti si jak,ti si jak,afrodizijak,afrodizijak(4 puta)

Slatka mala maloletnice,prirodna srecnice
Na torti si stigla tek do sesneste svecice
Mala mamina pametnice,imas sve petice
A palis licem bebice,sa pogledom gresnice
Koji gradom siri srcke i upale desnice
Neki su spremni cak i da ukrste pesnice
Hipnotisani nesvesni da ne hajes za bednike
Fotografi modni drze vanredne sednice
U zelji da te stave na sve naslovne stranice
Uzdah siri se leti kada hodas pored stanice
Pogledi sevaju ko sa kremena varnice
Svi zaborave na dogovore.Natrpane satnice
Zbog bronzanog tena tvog tela mlade ratnice
Zbog andjeoskog lica zbog dve zvezde danice
Zbog kose boje klasja sa panonske oranice
Vestina majke prirode sve premasila je granice
Slatka mala maloletnice,primi moje cestitke
Sa svog pijedestala ti inspirises pesnike
Intelektualce I ulicne gresnike
Izjednacujes u zelji da bar jednom kresnu te.
Trule punace I prosjake bez love
Izjednacujes kad pohodis im nocu mokre snove
Ali stvar je pod kontrolom jer bojimo se marice
Kad roditelji tvoji budu pokretali parnice .
Slatke male maloletnice prirodne srecnice male gresnice

Sunce zalazi vetar mazi a sef u potrazi
Dan ko iz snova prolazi ja sam u setnje polazim
Trazim nekog da podelim s njim jedan dim
Il’ neku curicu spremnu da s njom delim tron
Hodam ulicom u vazduhu se oseca tvoj vajb
To je osecaj taj,ljubavni pokret kao trajb
I za kraj srecem poznato lice devojcice
Koja mi nije dopustila vec je propustila
Sa don huanom romansu
Al’ nije kasno vidim sansu
U njenom pogledu I glasu,jer stigla je u pravom casu.
Na uvo joj sapucem,osmeh predivan ko uvek
Krasi lice boginje,jos uvek za tobom zudi ovaj covek
Pa dali ima nade ove veceri mlade
Za zvuk ××××nade jer tvoj poglde mi nadu dade
Zanemari sve jade,sve probleme,sve dileme
Daj mi ruku krajnje je vreme da dotaknem sve teme
Kaze "mozemo kod mene",ocima daje mi znak
"Ispunicu ti sve zelje" samo mi pusti sindikat
Sada jaci nego ikad ,ja ljubim njen vrat
Jezik ide sve nize sef spreman za napad
"Tvoji nisu tu?" govor tela prica za nju
Sa sebe skida odecu svu "cekam te u kupatilu"
Pod tusem izvajanu figuru gledam vlaznu I golu
Cela noc je pred nama a prica gubi kontrolu.

Ref: Slatke male maloletnice slatke male slatke maloletnice

A ja zgrozen nad svim ovim kratak bicu
Zato sajslu I ticu dok budem prico ovu pricu
Uzo sam neku sicu kreno ka kaficu
Da se nadjem na picu sa sindikalcima
Ali od tog momenta ni sekunde dve nisu jos prosle
Kada dve curice vidim da mi prilaze
Kazu "sindikalce dugo smo te cekale"
Odma pice donele I kraj mene su sele.
Popile vopile I malo zadopile
Dok se nisu opile ko prljavo kopile
Onda krenule napolje zovu me :
"Ajdemo u zezanje bice jace u troje"
Kazem: niste normalne vidi na sta licite
Pijane ko guzice,bljuju na sred ulice
Al’ da ne bude zabune Iako maloletnice
Slatke ste ko breskvice,prave male misice
Sklonte se nemo da me mamite
Znate kolko robije moze da se dobije
Sve zbog pedofilije
Ma bezte od mene!!!bezte od mene,slatke maloletniceee!!!

Ti I ja ti I ja ti I ja ti I ja ti I ja ti I jaaa pedofilija

osamdeset drugo trece cetvrto peto sesto
Sve ih mesam vesto ne pitam za mesto
Dok ih gledam iz korole kako dolaze iz skole
Vidim jednu malu mnogo slatku vozi role
Bauer il Roces "molim sta ti hoces"
Na keksic da dodjes da se zezamo noces
Znam te jos odavno s nove godine kod galeta
Dal’ preko Vune Bokija il Saleta
Cusaka drugara sto po zidovima sara
Ako ne zuris kuci ajde sa mnom do Bizara
Nacosa,Olea,Steline,Soho bara
Il’ da palimo na kalis ako kafic tebe smara
Da blejimo bez para I setamo mog kera
Cekam te u cetiri posle podne oko skvera
Nemoj da me ispalis I nepotrebno kasnis
Zvacu te ne mobilni posle skole kad se vratis
Jos jednom da mi potvrdis da ces uvek biti tu
Na vreme pored mene moja mala beti bu
I nema vise:puj pike nista ne vazi
Pogledaj me u oci iskreno mi kazi
Da u jednom trenutku tebi mogu biti ravan
Ili me ti gotivis samo zat

15-10-2003, 17:06
Da u jednom trenutku tebi mogu biti ravan
Ili me ti gotivis samo zato sto sam slavan
"Smesan zabavan ludi lik iz price"
Dali jedna si od onih sto se poznanstvom sa mnom dice
Ili mozes da me volis bas onakvog kakav jesam
Da brines se o meni:ziv sam ? s kim sam ? gde sam ?
S klinkama pre sam probao sve sam
ali tebe kad sam upoznao postao sam svestan:
Da pedofilija radja pedofiliju
Nemojte to probati kod kuce
Maloletnice su ko cvet
Nevine I nezne kao rosa na uranku

Bice da su ko cvet

Tvoje ljubavi strela
Snazno cepa moja creva
Osecam te jako kao deo svoga tela
I samo kad bi htela sve sto htela je venera
Ja bio bi tvoj zevs ti bi bila moja hera
Jer kupidon sto smera on to provereno izvrsi
Posalje mi amora da strelama me izbusi
Razum mi narusi tera me da lutam
U oblacima magle tada ja plutam

Nas Fred...
16-10-2003, 08:46
...se zaista trudi da ozivi prastare teme... odgovara ne 2 godine stare...a ove relevantne koje je trazio, na njih nista!!

Nas Fred...
16-10-2003, 10:56
...opet Fred aktivan na krivim stranama? Zasto nikad na pravim? Fred?
Koliko sati imas na raspolaganju preuredjivati forum??

16-10-2003, 13:22
Daj nam reci Fredo, zasto se boris tako pozrtvovno? Sta te smetaju ti clanci na forumu? Pa Napisao ih je Cetnik-pokajnik, Christos of UK!

Daj nas malo peosvijetli! Daj Fredo!

nas se je...
16-10-2003, 18:17
...Fredo junacko-srpski trudio u svetoj mu borbi protiv nekog/nekih? za nesto za sta samo on zna... i zato je potrosio 5-6 sati samo danas...

ALI dan jos nije gotov...

16-10-2003, 19:15

Izbezumljen Fred?
17-10-2003, 11:20
FREDO nema rijeci? Gdje su rijeci Fredo???

dovoljna je i slika
17-10-2003, 11:22